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viewers' urban issues are increasingly prominent on national policy agendas. Cities and metropolitan areas are major contributors to national economies and for sure play a key role as known in global markets. Moreover, at a time of deepening globalization and increasing international competition for investment, metropolitan regions have become the targets of a wide range of public interventions. Now,

urban

development policies seek to address a range of issues from managing urban expansion and congestion to fostering competitiveness, innovation, social inclusion, and environmental sustainability. This is MNC Business and you are on economic bus. Urban development issues should be understood not only in recognizable everyday problems such as traffic congestion, slums, and crime, but also needs to be viewed within the broader context.

Cities

play an important role in the national economy as more than half of the national GDP is generated from the major cities. There are some issues of urban development in which the central as well as local government as well as other stakeholders have to address. We have the report for you.

Urban areas in Indonesia had a typical problem such as urbanization, environmental, and social. Various urban problems were arising from the spatial planning of cities that were not clear and also inconsistency of policymakers in implementing development plans. Generally, the executive and legislatures are still thinking conventionally and have no development concepts which are firm and clear. It is also observed that many regional heads did not familiar with the concept of urban development which was sustainable or a development that was environmentally insightful.

There

are two major things to respond to city development problems, planning, and constructing. However, the problems could also come from local government's own policy which did deviation on city spatial planning. Local regulations that were published on city spatial planning sometimes could just be a formality concept because local governments sometimes are not consistent in implementing development plans. Besides, there were also ineffectiveness and incoordination among agencies and institutions.

The

other problem is the integration between cities and districts like gap-riched issues. The ideal step of a balanced city gave progress and did not weaken the adjacent regions.

To

create a comfortable city, structuring the city must be planned carefully. The situation sometimes already had a special plan but the implementation is not in accordance with government regulations. Therefore, there could be violations that have been done and being ignored.

For

example, mall construction which is not in accordance with the special plan in district or city. Apparently, when people opposed against the construction but it kept running without any sanction.

The

other main issue is government lack of ability to anticipate the problems in the future. The Indonesian government is still considered incapable of cutting out a good planning. Sometimes, regulation is less able to overcome the problems in the future that its development runs so fast.

So,

violation on special plan cannot be avoided. What should be prepared in creating a good ideal special plan related to urban development issue? MNC Business Report for Economic Bus and NC Business Channel.

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to have a deeper view about understanding urban development challenges with New Cities Foundation, or NCF, we have Mathieu Lefebvre, Executive Director at New Cities Foundation. Mathieu, bonjour. Bonjour. Merci

beaucoup

for your time. Thank you very much. Merci beaucoup. I really appreciate it for your time. And this is the first time we have NCF, stands for

New

Cities Foundation. We should talk about this in more detail later on. In the meantime, they can also visit your homepage. Which homepage should I visit if I would like to know more about NCF?

NewcitiesFoundation.org

Okay, as simple as it sounds, dot org. Well, Mathieu, I would like to ask you first your general perspective by the time you talk about the dream of the urban population in terms of having, living, and creating a comfortable city. How would you define, actually, the word comfortable city?

That's

a very interesting question.

I

think the aspirations of people who live in cities are very important and they're very common. What's very interesting is that people in small cities and in big cities across the world, in rich cities and in poor cities, they really focus on the same kinds of issues. They want fairly basic things. Housing is always one. Security is very important. Mobility and traffic is a big issue here in your hometown in Jakarta, but also everywhere. So it's very interesting to think that people, when they think about their life in cities, and as you know and will discuss, more and more people are living in cities, they aspire to the same things.

How

livable, actually, on the global scale, by the time you talk about the urban development, major cities around the world, how livable it can provide the convenience and also the comfort zone for the urban population around the world. What dramatic change is happening now?

Well, we're living in a very exciting time. That's why I'm very happy to be here in Jakarta to have this conversation on the future of cities, because we think very deeply at the New Cities Foundation that

thinking

about cities and creating better cities is really the challenge of our time.

We

think that we live in a century of cities. By the middle of this century, the urban population of the world will have grown by about 2 billion people. It's growing at a rate of about 2 people per second. So by the time I finish my sentence, there will be

10

or 12 new urban

people. Another increase and

growth.

Exactly,

exactly. So this is the challenge of our times. Cities are where the action is happening. And I think we are not driving this train. This train is unstoppable, the train of urbanization in this century. And if you look around in cities in Asia and particularly here in Indonesia, it's evident.

But

there are two directions this train can go in. A very happy direction to create green, livable, equitable, happy cities, or a much less happy direction of traffic congestion and inequality and smog, etc. When you use the word

unstoppable, can we expect somehow to make this kind of flow of the urban population becoming controllable? How controllable can it be by the time you talk about the flowing, the growing, the increasing number of the urban population coming in and keep flowing in the major cities?

Well,

I think

people

have dreams and aspirations. And I think they should be allowed to exercise those dreams and to make those dreams come true. So I am personally not a big believer in controlling population movement.

You're

not suggesting that at the same time?

Yes, no. To control this? But what we want to do is to provide this urban dream to make it a reality, so that people get to cities that

conform

to their dream and

aspirations. Very good, sir. We still have another session to discuss more about this. Great. Make sure you are sleeping on Economic Bus. We are now discussing about understanding urban development challenges with New Cities Foundation, or NCF. Don't forget to watch our new live streaming through www.sindonews.com.

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Business and Economic Update News first for you. Business viewers, Ministry of Transportation asserted some connectivity aspects could be improved by the development of railway outside Java, as in the government's five years program on infrastructure.

It

is expected that the development would create synergy among transportation modes and finally suppress the logistic costs,

and eventually suppress logistics

costs.

Ministry

of Transportation will soon start the development of railways outside Java,

completed

as part of government's five years program on infrastructure.

By

improving infrastructure in train transportation, it is believed that it could create synergy among other transportation modes and finally suppress the logistic costs, which is considered to be too high. Director General of Railways in the Ministry of Transportation, Hermanto Duyat Moko, explained

that

there will be some developments done in some different areas in the country.

For

example, there will be 13 airports and 20 seaports in the country with train access.

Hermanto also added

that aside from increasing denials, as

it

is

going

to be in an international space,

that may have

been developed

into a new world of

the country,

can be

made in

a new world of

the country. It

will be

about to

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first, that have been in

a new world of the country.

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be about to

travel very

first.

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people have

been in a

new

world of

the country

who have been in a new world of the country as a bi

-day company.

puis

les palaises qui sont

en

place maintenant 5 palaises et 20 palaises

Germanto aussi ajouté que aside de augmenter le nombre de l'air et les portes avec accès de

train,

le

gouvernement

aussi planer de augmenter le nombre de la

ville

qui

a

été train comme transporté

mass. D

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le

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a

7 de la

ville

metropolitan en

2014

qui a été train comme transporté

mass. Et

c'est que dans 2019, le nombre a augmenté de deux fois dans les 14 pays. Jakarta, Ricky Anouardi, MNC Business.

C'est

le site

de NewCitiesFoundation.org pour obtenir des informations. Je suis très excitée en termes de promotion à NCF, ainsi que l'info de

info

que vous avez sur la page. Parce que NCF choisit Jakarta

à

la venue, la host pour l'hôpital

de la

summit, en fin

de la

fin de juin,

2015.

Ok, on va parler de la session en après. Ok, à la

fin

de notre conversation, En Jakarta, c'est très obvious qu'on n'est

pas

le seul qui souffre le plus en termes de créer un livable town, un confortable zone pour l'urbanie population. En tout cas, quand on a trouver la base générale,

qu

'est-ce qu'il y

a une

problématique de l'urbanie ? Est

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qu

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un espacial issue ? Est-ce qu

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y

a

un espacial issue

? Je

pense que une large part de l'esprit est un espacial issue, mais ce n

'est

pas juste un espacial issue. Je pense qu'il y

a

des problèmes de finance et de governance, mais je pense que je suis un optimiste de nature, donc je pense que ces challenges que les cities face, including Jakarta, sont aussi great opportunities. Par exemple, pour vos vies dans le business community, je pense qu'il représente un précieux d'un

business

opportunity parce qu

'il

y

a

des solutions pour répondre à

des

problèmes

de l

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l

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'ai

parlé de l'urbanie, sont très common. Trafic, et votre report sur les trains et les transportes sont très important. Trafic, l'housing, l'eau, la sécurité, la participation, la feeling que vous avez besoin, la culture, ce sont

des

problèmes de

l

'urbanie. Il y

a

aussi des opportunités, par exemple, pour le secteur

de l

'urbanie, pour step in.

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nous

avons aussi un petit package qui parle de l'interconnecité et l'infrastructure. On votre idée, Mathieu, il y

a

un problème de

l

'un

des problèmes de

l'interconnecité et l'infrastructure, où on

parle

de l'urbanie, c'est l'intégration entre les cities et les districts, les main cities qui n

'est

pas encore établié. On parle de cette majorité, sur votre expérience de l'infrastructure

de l

'infrastructure de l'infrastructure

de l

'infrastructure de l'infrastructure de l'infrastructure,

et aujourd'hui,

vraiment,

plus que les cities, nous parlons de l'infrastructure de

l

'infrastructure. Oui, donc si vous pensez

à

l'infrastructure de Shanghai, c'est pas vraiment l'infrastructure de

l'infrastructure.

C'est une grande région qui a des millions de personnes

qui a des millions de personnes,

appelée la Pearl River Delta, qui est vraiment

l

'unité pour penser à l'infrastructure.

Et donc,

j'ai l

'impression que Java,

pour exemple, a l'infinition de l'infrastructure

de

l'infrastructure de l'infrastructure

de l

'infrastructure de

l

'infrastructure. C'est comme

vous

-même, help release some of the pressure that's felt in Jakarta right now so and all of this really talks about the issue of governance and that's a critically important issue how these urban corridors are governed because you know your viewers are in the business sector and they will know the importance to have a strong business sector I think there's a very important element is to have a strong public sector that can direct

and

sort of accompany progress

and

development

you

see that in our current new government if I may ask you this I'm so tickle in terms of asking you this the strong what you call this a political will as well as the support in terms of creating those

I'm

really not an authority I don't know but

at least from the policy they

made the regulation they made here on the regulatory aspect of framework how do you see now I would like to bring Indonesia in our discussion

sure well again I'm really not an authority on Indonesia so I'm not credible to to judge but I can what I can detect is that there is a momentum

there

is a moment which is also why we we picked seizing the urban moment as the topic

for

our summit there's a great sense of opportunity here around the question of urban areas and of course government is never a stranger to creating that

moment

of opportunity so I think

there

there's something happening here and it's very interesting and increasingly in Europe and North America and elsewhere in Asia Jakarta and Indonesia are catching the attention of people they're intrigued by what's happening here what

is so unique when you talk about the characteristic of Jakarta as the major city especially as the capital city of nation on your view

well

I

think

Jakarta actually

yeah I think certainly Jakarta is not without its challenges but I think there's a tremendous enthusiasm here that you can feel people are at the very basic level very hopeful about the future the business community is very hopeful the investment community is very hopeful

that

in today's world if you look outside of Indonesia is fairly rare that optimism that's also why we were very excited to pick Jakarta as the destination for our next big event here

in

in in Jakarta in June

yeah

Matthew not becoming in the current trending trend every single media also making the headline when we talk about go green business green environment friendly business and so forth now the uncontrolled rapid urban development could affect not only as we know social problems but also the environment how challenging is it on the view of NCF by the time we talk about creating a green city concept how green can we be regarding our city concept

well

again I'm an optimist so and and and a realist as well

that

the the the environmental problems that we face are global and

even

though it's heads of nations who go discuss environmental problems in big summits in my hometown in Paris we will have the climate negotiations in December

I

strongly believe that it's cities who will do they will not talk they will do it's in cities that you can actually create these green cities most co2 emissions greenhouse gas emissions come from cities indirectly so it's in cities that we

we

will have to solve

the

problem

so

creating green cities is not really a luxury or a fantasy it's

an

obligation we have to

so

we must make it as the mandatory step absolutely everyone of us here as the part of the nation well we are going to talk in more detail about what is actually the summit and why is it so important especially giving the context of Indonesia after this one Matthew

back

on economic bus this program can also be viewed through star hub as your channel one to

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and MNC International both channel can be viewed in Singapore with me everything so yeah better is left Matthew Lefebvre executive director at new cities foundation or ncf go log on to the home page at music this foundation dot org and we are going to talk more about this if I may refresh my question Matthew perhaps some of them just join our talk show this evening specific challenges faced by Indonesia as a nation geographically speaking it won't be very easy in terms of creating this kind of interconnectivity and at the same time we talked that the main support factor is to have this kind of strong interconnectivity so everyone not going to go over flowing onto one spot in the nation

yeah yeah absolutely I think I'm one of the specific challenges and also opportunities that Indonesia faces in its urban development is its geography of course which is so unique for a country with

I

think 17,000 islands and and and cities that are far removed I think air air traffic and air hubs are going to develop a lot your report earlier talked about 30 new airports being built etc but also all the infrastructure investments that will be made in the future to really empower Indonesian cities to grow

financing

and urban financing is something that we look at at the new cities foundation we've just launched an initiative called urban finance initiative which looks at this challenge which is faced by all cities which is how are we going to pay for all the infrastructure investments that we need

what

financial mechanisms will we use well where will we get the funds how will risks be measured etc and I think this really applies to Indonesian cities very well

how

costly can it be by the time you talk about realizing the ideal city concept

it

must will it must cost a lot cost us a lot of fortune when we talk about the finding the financing scheme and mechanism as well

sure I think put together this investment in the world cities will amount to the largest infrastructure investment in our history in mankind's history but it's an investment it's not a cost it's an investment in making our cities cleaner more livable more should be for the longer-term purpose

exactly

yes yes because otherwise you you have cities that are congested that have slums etc so

these

investments empowered by technology which is also something that's new on the scene this this smart city concept these investments are are really for our future

at the same time since we are on business we talk about this is as well with the purpose positive

what

do you call this positive purpose a positive aspect in asking you this question can we generate something out of it by the time you talk about investing in the urban development

absolutely

I think it's a it's a enormous opportunities for for business for example so

not

only benefiting the society but also actually from the business aspect oh

I'll be very

attractive absolutely and what's really interesting is also one of our our goals in in promoting this global event here in in Jakarta about the future of cities is that cities and businesses learn from one another if you think about the busway

or

the BRT here in in Jakarta that was imported from South America

if

you think about the shared bike system which is so common in in many cities across Asia in the world that was imported from France cities are copying and businesses in cities are copying one another because they know that something that works in one city is very likely to work in another city so it's an exciting time of opportunity

speaking

adopting the success story from other places another town here in the world can be or can you mention one or two three countries where we can actually look up you know like as the role model

I

think there there's two things there's one every city is unique and so you have to listen to your inhabitants and really understand what they want and what what their expectations are but of course you have to look around and looking around and listening to best case studies is what we're trying to do with the new city summit in June

I

think it's wiser probably to look at cities that have similar geographies so that they're by the sea for example Jakarta suffers from great problems with floods so there are other case studies in the Netherlands and elsewhere where where Jakarta could learn also traffic congestion is not unique to Indonesian cities cities in China

and

Thailand and elsewhere and in Brazil I'm very struck for example when I walk around Jakarta at how much it looks like Sao Paulo in Brazil

all

right so similar strategic approach can be implemented or can be applied by the time you're looking at and this the other countries but we'd have similarity with Jakarta and Indonesia in general another session to discuss more you are still with us on economic bus we still bring our discussion about understanding urban development challenges with new cities foundation or NCF Matthew early on we talked about how we can ask for the government support through their policies because as the regulator they're the one who can create an ideal policy that can support this kind of urban development and we can take all this kind of urban development challenges as well we are also working close as our partner with transformative public policy transformation the center for public policy transformation now what kind of relationship NCF has established with transformative to support policy dialogue as well as capacity building program with Indonesian mayors let's say and also their key important strategic stuff

well

what we're bringing to to Jakarta in June from 9 9 to 11 June is the new city summit which is a really a global event we've had it in Paris in Sao Paulo in Dallas and now we're bringing it to Asia for the first time

it's

a global discussion 800 people from 50 countries CEOs entrepreneurs startups investors mayors even artists and philosophers but we want to make it locally relevant we want this to kick off a transformation of Indonesian cities and to do that

we

need great local partners here and particularly in the public sector and so transform a see we're very excited about working with them because

they

are really working with local government officials with mayors

on

this transformation of Indonesia and so the partnership seemed very natural to us we bring a global discussion and best practices and they will hopefully implement help implemented here for the

to

improve Indonesian cities which is one of our goals

so

you see transformers yes the best effective channel in terms of bridging you the summit as well as in the Indonesian government

yes absolutely I

see specific more about this summit all the way come to Asia and to Jakarta to Indonesia why Jakarta it's a privilege for us of course but then this is also raised us a question why would you choose Jakarta in the first place in the first time in Asia if I'm not mistaken

yes absolutely well we we the event takes place in a different continent every year and it moves around to learn about the case studies of a particular region in a particular city and we were approached by the government of Jakarta to bring it here and I have to admit that I had never been to Indonesia I didn't really know that much about Jakarta and I came here and I was really struck by this this sense of optimism and the sense of opportunity that I was talking about which is why we we chose Jakarta because it remains I don't want to say mysterious but it's not very well known what the great dynamism of this this city outside Asia perhaps so we're very excited to be here and I think for our Asian conversation on cities it's a perfect place because it embodies both the challenges traffic flooding and others but also the huge opportunity of Asian cities and very much of the the urban story takes place in Asia so we're very excited to be in Asia and very very excited to be partnering with the governor here to bring this event to Jakarta

how

excited can we be in terms of facing and welcoming this event in terms of creating perception or image about our beloved capital city Jakarta to this reputable international event called summit of the NCF

well I'm sure it will be it will be great I mean we were really struck by the hospitality of people here by their sense of opportunity there's their desire to partner so all of the entrepreneurs CEOs etc who will come here for the first time I

think they'll

have a really happy surprise and discover the great potential of Indonesia and of Jakarta

how

long the summit will last

it

will last three days but really it will be a week because there are side events and other activities and so we welcome you know the opportunity to collaborate with whoever wants to take part and join the discussion in some way

all

right another more detail about the summit will be

brought

to our viewers soon after this one not you economic bus will be back soon with Murphy from Matthew Lefevre executive director at new cities foundations you're watching economy bus with Matthew Lefevre executive director at new cities foundation or NCF to share his view of the topic that we bring up in this talk show NCF new cities foundation why you should come to Indonesia as well how do you see from Indonesia representing NCF as the executive director

well

I think Indonesia is full of promise and surprises as I was saying and every time I come here I just want one thing is to take two months off and to go travel and in some of the

I was always

something new

there

is always something new apparently yeah yeah absolutely but it really inspired us to devise the topics for the summit in June and we were really inspired by the experience of this city

what are actually the main area of working at NCF and what things will you cover here in Indonesia

well

I think for the new city summit in June here in Jakarta we will we will cover some of the issues that all cities ask themselves so we're going to talk about housing and affordable housing which is a very very important question people for people here but also in Paris in New York in Tokyo in Beijing we're going to talk about traffic of course Indonesia Jakarta has the worst traffic in the world now

officially

so of course we're going to talk about

that

notoriously known for that

notoriously known and I've experienced it myself today many times on

the way here right away on the way here

absolutely yeah yeah yeah we're going to talk about something that that I think has enormous potential which is technology people talk about smart cities etc technology really has transformational potential

how

do you use technology and in Asia people use technology a lot the penetration of social media for example is extremely high in Jakarta is one of the biggest

cities

in the world so we're going to talk about how technology can help us seize the urban moment and seizing the urban moment is our overall theme but we're going to talk about design architecture we're going to talk about the role of culture

you

know and cultural institution and tourism

in

creating a city's identity so we're going to talk about all of that there will be 90 speakers lots of different sessions 90 90 90 that's

a lot of speakers from all

over the world yeah yeah and we're very excited because some very prominent CEOs and speakers including Muhammad Yunus the Nobel Peace Prize winner will come to announce a

major

initiative at our summit so it's going to be a very rich conversation

okay speaking about the previous summit

how

was it going the last summit let's see which which tone as the host and then how what kind of result has been discussed there during the previous last summit before Jakarta

right

well our last summit was in Dallas Texas which is a city that is that is reinventing itself so the theme last year was reimagining cities and I'm really proud and touched that our summit kicked off a conversation for Dallas they're still talking about the issues and

they've

implemented programs as a result of our summit the summit is a great spark of inspiration but then it's for local partners and local companies and and mayors etc to take that energy and transform it into action talking is is great and it's very important and imagining and dreaming up your city is

is

essential but it's all about action yeah put it into practice really

walk the talk right we use the last session to sum up and conclude our discussion for this we have reached our last session discussing about understanding urban development challenges with new cities foundation NCF we're gonna have another few from Matthew Lefevre executive director at new cities foundation to conclude this view toward our topic well in short we keep discussing about the government support and then how business actually can create a much conducive and friendlier urban cities and also spatial area but

it's

rarely been discussed also in the media when we talk about the community awareness all of those will mean nothing if you don't have

a

this kind of a growing community awareness how NCF through your projects and programs in the same time can encourage this kind of community awareness

right

absolutely I'm so glad you asked that question because too often people talk about government and the private sector etc but it leaves out a third part third leg of the stool which is the people and I think the nature of of organization and power has changed a lot people have a lot more power than they used to for example because they have

a

tool in their pocket many of them called a smart phone or even a not smart phone where they can express their views

we

talked about social media earlier where the penetration in Asia and in Jakarta is enormous and so there's a real need and an opportunity for people to create a movement for this green city that we've been talking about and that

can

be very powerful

what

are the key messages would like to be brought up to our society to the summit for this 2015 the coming June in Jakarta

I

think the main message that we will bring is to focus on cities if you want to drive progress and drive change on on the economy on job creation on environmental issues on social issues

focus

on cities cities are where change happens that's the main message

and

then we want to bring everybody in the companies the public sector the people nonprofits etc into the mix so that together we can have that conversation to make cities better

all

right Mathieu I mustn't hold you for any longer Mathieu Lefebvre you are the executive director at New Cities Foundation Merci beaucoup again thank you so much Thank you

very much Welcome back to Jakarta

we are expecting you to back again to Jakarta With

great pleasure We want to come to

Indonesia and again Merci beaucoup Au revoir

Thank

you

Au

revoir Merci

Merci