PROJECT CAMELOT SEBASTIEN MARTIN STARSEED AWAKENING

Quand

elle a

été

pregnant,

mes

visions arrivent en full force. Ma mère m'a

mort,

elle a un M.D. à l'âge de 16 ans. C'est quelque chose d'un anusual. Il y a deux foetuses,

mais

l'un foetus semble être plus grand que l'autre,

ce

qui est

impossible.

Je suis capable de contrôler mes visions et d'avoir elles en demand. Quand j

'ai

entré à

l

'espace, j'ai vu ces gros aliens, avec très longs armes. Quand les aliens se

sont

en

train de s

'arguer, elle m'a

demandé

de me

demander

ce qu'ils se

sont

en

train de s

'arguer. Et ils m

'a

répondu

à

moi, « On ne

peut

pas vous toucher parce que vous avez été en

train

de

s

'arguer.

»

Et ils m'ont

montré

des holograms. Et il y avait des holograms

blancs

entre moi et eux. Et il y avait un triangle upside-down, le premier symbole que j'ai vécu, avec trois dots en chaque point. J'ai appris que

j'ai

appris que le liquide était là pour regenerer mon DNA et ma peau. J'ai ressenti cette présence

massive,

qui était très omnipotent, omniprésent. Et tout j'ai ressenti, c'était que c'était le père de tout.

Et il y

a un

des

questions pour le

projet

Camelot. Aujourd'hui nous sommes à l'UFO Congress. Et

nous

avons eu l'occasion de rencontrer Sébastien Martin,

qui

est ici aussi, attending le conference. Et

il

est un très intéressant à dire, il a été en train

d

'avoir

et

à dire ses histoires un peu.

Mais

on va aller démermer un peu plus, et

c

'est une grande opportunité pour le projet Camelot to talk to him about what's been going on with him over many, many years. And

I'm

going to let him introduce himself since I actually don't know him that well. I've only

heard

a couple interviews with him. And so we'll do it from that direction.

So

it's great to have you here, Sebastian. And this is a great opportunity. You know, we have a lot of space, a lot of time.

We

can sort of

delve

down, go down the road.

I'm

fascinated by your Shasta experience. I think that's a great place to go.

I'd

like to introduce you, have you talk about yourself, talk about your business background a bit and kind of launch from there. Okay. And then maybe how you started down this road.

Yes. Okay.

Okay.

So I was a CEO of a multinational for over 10 years in Canada. and I had offices in Pennsylvania, UK, New Zealand. And in 2011, I had basically a dream that was a common dream. It was the face of a boy that looked at me and he had eyes that were a bit more, you know,

away

from each other than ours and he had higher cheekbones

and

he was so close to me that I could not see his chin. And he was very happy. Like he smiled, you know, I could see his white teeth. He could have been like a Californian surfer dude, you know, but not from his earth. But it was surreal but at the same time not that unusual because, you know, I could just see him and it was a very brief moment. When I woke up in the morning, I went to work and that boy, that face was still in front of me all day long

and

it was highly disturbing because I would interact with people and then all of a sudden I could see his face and he was still very happy to see me again. So I really didn't know what to do with this and I never had this kind of vision or, you know, change of reality all of a sudden. So when my day finished, I went to my house and, you know, my wife went to bed with my child

and

I decided to sit down on my sofa

late

at night. It was very quiet

and

I poured myself a cup of tea beforehand and left it on the counter

and

sat down on the sofa and I closed my eyes, not really knowing what to expect. I was basically so disturbed by, you know, this face that something must have happened and so I was trying to ask or get some answers, I'm guessing. And when I closed my eyes, within one second, I could feel this wind, a whirlwind of energy going all around me

and

then it stopped. And when that stopped, I basically just opened my eyes and there was this boy that's standing in front of me and

he

was about, you know, nine feet away from me

and

he was

glowing

but the glow of energy was very close to his body. It was not, you know, huge

but

enough for me to see him in full details

and he

was not really transparent. He was physically there. like I could see him in full form

and

when I was sitting down and the whole room was pitch black I didn't turn the lights on. There were some lights in the kitchen next door but I could still see him very well and when I tried to get up of my seat I was frozen, I couldn't move and when I tried to speak because I was kind of startled by the whole thing I could not speak

and when

I saw him and he must have heard me, you know, thinking like, who are you, what are you doing here and he basically responded saying my name is Zohar Z-O-A-R and I'm from the Galactic Federation actually he said more like the Galactic Alliance

not

so much the Federation

but

I'm guessing it was probably connected somehow. And we had a 15 minute long conversation which is kind of selfish of me because interacting with a being like this not only I was really startled but I was kind of

in

a weird space

it

was very unusual and very weird in a way it was, you know, I mean I wasn't really frightened I felt at ease, you know, talking to him and all I was thinking about was the visions I used to have now, we're kind of going backwards now a bit

Okay, but I have a question for you before

you do that

So, you said you couldn't talk so are you saying that you communicated you

had a conversation

telepathically Oh

yes

Okay and so that, at any point were you able to move or No

So you were really

sort of frozen in

this place while

he was there

I

don't even recall even being able to blink my eyes

I

was that, you know, rigid Wow

And

so when he dissipated or went away

Yes

Then could you

Oh,

then I regained the capacity of my body and I stood up and I was wondering

I

was thinking that I was having a dream or something or, you know, it really disturbed me

and

I walked away slowly back to the kitchen thinking about what just happened and when I grabbed my cup of tea and I drank it

then

it was freezing cold

and

it really startled me and I looked at the stove clock and I was missing about two and a half hours of time

So

that's pretty much that episode Yes of my life that happened and then I went to bed and I slept very well So, but Okay,

so that was Can you say what year that was?

Yes, that was in November of 2011

Oh, right

Yes

So now you wanted to go back in time

Right

Okay So

going

back to, you know, my childhood and so on I was raised by, you know, very, you know, normal parents who didn't have any real issues My dad was a businessman very pragmatic man We didn't believe in anything but the money, you know, system and

my

mother was on the other side more interested in homeopathy and, you know, spirituality in a way Buddhism and all these things So you can imagine that when I was seven years old they split up and they, you know, went, you know, each way and then I kind of went back and forth between each parent So

when

I was growing up I kind of gained from both sides, basically So I became a businessman in the organic business and having organic herb farms and I became successful doing that So it was kind of a combination of both worlds

that

I managed to do and that's where I found the balance in my life because I was happy doing this and it rung through and I felt very comfortable in that environment

But

growing up I always

had Now you grew

up, just sorry

to interrupt

you but in France

Yes, that's correct

Are

you willing to say which town or the area of

France? I

was born in Royaume which is Charles Martin in the southwest of France close to Bordeaux just

on the

opposite side of Bordeaux

Okay

So it

was kind of an area where, you know, not many people really believe in spirituality and it wasn't as developed as California or

Latin

America and I was not really used to any of this but growing up as a child I always remember seeing ghosts in my house and my

parents

had an old farmhouse that they purchased and

I

knew it was haunted and I had recurring nightmares you know, not so much as a child

but

I saw like ghosts going in you know, floating through the living room

and

I got used to them

you

know, I got really used to them

Sure

But at the same time it kind of made sense to me like I understood I had a

genuine

understanding of us to know what they were in terms of entities and they were not

like

ETs or anything else they were more like human beings who passed away and I could see their bodies floating around and that was

my

understanding of what was going on

Okay and

no one explained to me when I was young but that's

what it

was But,

you know, you're not that old now

No,

I'm 40

Oh,

you? Really?

Yes

Okay, so, you know, you grew up in what we call the modern age and did you feel that,

you

know you had an understanding like in school did you study, I don't know various things like

a

bit of Buddhism a bit of Christianity a bit of this, a bit of that I

was raised as a Protestant in France but,

again,

I was from the Huguenot family so,

it

was not that rigid like I had the freedom to go through catechisms and everything else and I was never really a religious person never has been but I was always interested in the history of it so, in terms of the Bible and so on I was reading the, you know, the paragraphs and I was, you know, trying to dissect, you know, what was going through that and, you know, trying to make sense of it but nothing to do with religion, really okay,

what

about science, how, you know, what was your approach to science as growing up and so on?

I was interested in science but I was not a real scholar in terms of science I was definitely more geared up towards like languages and literature, philosophy what

did you major in, in college or school or whatever

kind of thing?

the arts

yes

so, I did fine arts and I left, I left the university to actually go to the army in Germany through the French services which was a compulsory service in France you have to do this automatically in my time anyway at night it's gone you don't have to do

it anymore I see but

why

did you

have to go to Germany just out of curiosity?

I had a girlfriend there and so, basically, I just moved there and it was closer to that, you know to her place but

but

you still were in the French services

yes I

see so,

did you have a long time there or just you just did your I

only stayed

there for about 10 months and

then

I went back to France I broke my arm at the end just a few weeks before the end of my service because what happened is I enjoyed so much that I actually enlisted and I broke my arm during a training and I went back to France and that's when I met my future wife three days later so, that's pretty much what happened and I came back to Germany and broke my contract and I moved to England because that's where she's from

oh, I

see

yes

so,

okay so, we went back in time is this to tell about

the vision the

school thing

no the school

thing not so much I mean, we can go back to that from what happens after but the

real,

you know insights that I had when I met my wife for sure it was, you know quite a clash between cultures because not only she was English and I was French but also I had some experiences of my own including visions and

well,

okay when did the vision start? because you saw the ghosts but at what age approximately would you know?

probably

around 12 years old I

would say

and it carried on it increased in rates until the age of like 16

okay and

after that

you

know it kind of quieted down a bit and when I met my wife it completely disappeared because I blocked it off for 10 years right so going back to those visions

it's

kind of we

are

going back and forth back and forth but the the

fact

is my wife

got

pregnant in 2009 and for 10 years while being married with her I decided to block my visions because I had to respect her wishes for not

you

know basically

being

frightened by what was happening on this

other

side and she was frightened that I may see her dead or being separated or something so by respect of her I decided to block my visions off for 10 years and when she became pregnant my visions came back in full force and I used to have like 3 visions per day

and

it was very disturbing because I was not really used to it anymore and after 10 years I was you know growing my business and

I

was very busy with employees who you know had no clue what was going on

and

so I had to keep this composure and carry

on

doing my work without really and I was the same when I was growing up too when I was seeing the ghost or something I never even talked about it to anybody

okay

I

just kept it to myself and so when and

when you had visions how did could you characterize them in other words did you see them like a little film strip or yes in some other way

yes so

basically

sometimes in broad daylight it would completely overtake my field of vision and it would become like a small film sometimes it could be I could hear the noise I could hear voices

and

I'm usually sometimes acting as a first person so I can see my hands but I don't see my face so but I see the environment being completely different and

it

happened a few times

even

when I saw some catechisms for example what

do you mean by that cataclysm

so oh

cataclysms

cataclysms

okay so

earthquakes tsunamis

tsunamis

and oh

you did a few

of

those and

those visions were really related to the area I was living in first and then it kind of expanded to North America

what

area was that that you were in

on

Vancouver Island on the west coast of

Canada

oh Vancouver Island yes

okay

interesting what year was this these visions well

that was around 2010

okay

so that's more recent in your life

yes but

I actually wanted to go back to when you were you know 12 or that age and

a

little later

okay

you said between 12 and 16 you were having visions

right

yes

so

how were the visions characterized at that time like if you could sort of talk about them were they premonitions so

to speak

of

future events did

they involve you no

it was it was mostly involving me people I knew not so much future events any kind it was not like apocalyptic in any sort of way it

was very

basic so

would you know

something before it happened

yes oh yes many times and I had lots of data views and some

things

oh

yes

yes

and know things about people around you perhaps

yes

uh

-huh

yeah and that was very very clear and it became part of my

life and did

you share that with your mother no

no

you didn't even tell

your mother back then

no oh

you didn't

even until recently I was adamant to even talk about the interaction I had with Zohr to her because she doesn't really believe in aliens she doesn't she's not really into this realm but um yet she's open to reiki and energy healing and archangels and these sort of things so she's um she's understanding but at the same time she doesn't really understand this world because she didn't really have the depth of experience that I had

very

funny so uh what about uh like grandparents did you ever have a grandparent or other people you know who had visions or share you

know nothing like that

what happened was my uh grandmother on my mother's side um was um she had cancer in many places and she was one of the miracle of lourdes in the south of france in the grotto and she um she's actually been twice on the vatican's list on the uh real miracles of the vatican you know I

see

and so she she was about to die and she was uh driven in a wheelchair to the grotto and

uh

she saw the virgin mary in the grotto I see she turned catholics catholic after that she was protestant to begin with and um and how old was

she

at this time when this

happened

um probably in her 30s I would say

oh

fairly young

yes fairly young and and she's she's still alive today

really

yes

she's very resilient she's 89 years old today ah and um I um I'm still in touch with her but um she had these profound experiences multiple times and

again

just related to religion and I was not a religious person so I kind of discarded it as being relevant in any way

but did you um hear the stories when you were a child

if

I heard the stories

no did you hear

you

know the stories about your grandmother or did your grandmother tell you

the stories of what happened to her only

when I was older I

see

I mean I kind of knew that she went to Lourdes and and these sort of things but um I didn't really pay attention I didn't really

care if

you're honest it's and

did you have

brothers and sisters

I

have a yes I have a sister who is absolutely like my dad pretty much

I

mean no

interest in any no interest in any kind no no

I'm kind of the the oddball here really kind

of

along with my mother um but which is interesting is my my mother um died she had an NDE at the age of 16 years old and um so she had a major car crash with my dad and they both were in the car with a frontal collision and she went through the windscreen and was you know

brought

to the hospital with my dad and they both stayed in the hospital for six months

wow

it

was very traumatic

uh

my dad was crushed his whole body was underneath the steering wheel incredible and my mother didn't have a seatbelt on but went through the windscreen

oh no

and

the people driving on the other side died they actually stole a car and they were escaping the police

oh wow

yeah and

so when she died uh she went through this tunnel and she saw her body you know over the table and and uh when she went through the tunnel she saw those white beings and um she told me that

um

when she

talked

to them

that

they said this is not your time you're supposed to be coming back because your time is not ready yet and

so

she came back and

and

she came back with uh the healing um you know capacity of you know putting her hands close to a person and uh removing the major burns of people and she never promoted it uh she always uh was broke she never earned money from it I gave her money myself uh to sustain herself now in her retirement but she um she never really made a fuss about it and kept it quiet

but

people now with the internet and social media are showing what she can do and I'm even myself amazed because

when

I see uh people healed within 24 hours when there's a major burden and

the

skin falls off and after her work and I don't know exactly what she does but she places her hands over people's hands or body and new skin forms all over

wow

completely it's quite amazing and I was

quite

uh surprised by this because I never really seen it in practice she mentioned it a few times you know casually but that was it

that's

fascinating you know I remember though from the Jimmy Church interview that you did that you mentioned something about being born

in

a very sort of strange way

yes that you had

some

skin thing

where it

was odd I mean it took

me it seems

to maybe have had a factor into all of this

maybe it took a long time uh for my mother to even and my dad to really even talk about it more than my dad than my mother because he just was so freaked out by it that he just discarded it completely and didn't want to talk about it what

the way you were born

yes yes and the whole conception aspect of it was do

you

want to explain that

sure um so when my mother got pregnant um she went to the hospital uh was checked with one heartbeat and um she went on to work with my dad to work on the house the family home

and

she did she had an hemorrhage and she went back to the hospital

and

they chucked her out again and decided that oh now you have two heartbeats not just one

and

when they did the echography again they said there's something unusual um

they

there are two fetuses

but

one fetus is seems to be older than the other

which

is impossible but they couldn't explain it so you know

um

and they told us well there's an anomaly of some sort but basically one of them would die

because

of the hemorrhage

oh so

I'm not quite sure exactly what went on but um when she lost

the

other baby she was then injected every month with um some chemicals so um I would not be affected by these other fetuses we had to remain inside the womb

oh

my

god

for the whole nine months

that's

very odd

yeah

and so when um my dad was there when um

my

mother delivered us and uh so the the blob of you know the mummified blob came out and that really traumatized him a bit and and that came out normal but at the same time my flesh my my the first layer of my skin fell off completely

so

probably due to the reaction of the chemicals but they also realized that through DNA tests that I had missing proteins in my body too

wow so

when okay but you survived and you your skin grew back like miraculously

right after six months

yes six

months

yes I had diapers on special diapers I was screaming like hell every day and basically it was oh yes my dad had to sleep in the car before going to work in the morning

oh my

it

was that bad and um

when

um

you

know my skin came back on um very early on I developed asthma so

um

which is interesting

and you

look so healthy now oh

I

am but you know basically they sent me away for um for six months uh to Pyrenees in the south of France in Font-Romeu a place called Font-Romeu

and

they um they had a center there for for young children um and the family wasn't allowed to visit

they sent you

away from your family

yes and they were not allowed to visit for six months

so

I

could recover

it would have been too traumatizing apparently for

who

for children for the children there

for you for your family for

your family to

visit you no

it would have been traumatizing for me

for you to have your family

visit

yes

why

did they take you I don't understand

that's

what they did that's what they used to do in France they used to send them to these centers uh to recover from asthma

and

other things

um well

that's that's a story

right there it's gone

it's closed now I

see they don't

do it anymore

yeah

but

the uh the place

you

can you can look it up and I could send

you the

link of the place

where I said that oh yeah I would be

fascinated by that for some reason

trying to

cover the label

yeah

yes thank you um okay I guess not to dwell on this but it is kind of fascinating even from a scientific point of view and um with things like um you know

I

don't know genetic manipulation and all kinds of things going on

God

knows what they did with the children for six months when the parents weren't over there to oversee

maybe

right

I

don't know I don't

record anything okay um my uh my parents actually did come once to visit out of six months they were

only allowed

one visit and uh my mother really felt traumatized by the whole thing wow

by the whole experience I'm sure uh

she regretted it deeply um but when I came back I was healed and I no longer had asthma and I never had asthma for the rest of my life after that never had to use buffers or nothing

oh

really

no

but you also said as I recall there was something happened where you actually

I

don't know if you thought of this later later or you were aware of it when it happened but some kind of thing where you went on a spaceship and you had your skin placed

okay

well now we're moving forward okay so yes so basically what happened was when I met with Zoh and uh he uh had this conversation with me I also felt that there was a huge download happening at the same time because when I had this two and a half hours of missing time um I was still uh unaware of what really went on really uh we had a very short conversation and it was more about discussing the visions of you know tsunamis and earthquakes that I was seeing that we were discussing um you know face to face but uh it was very selfish in a way right I mean we had like a visitation from uh outer space and I just talked about my visions you know but um

what

happened then uh is uh before I saw him a week earlier I actually booked an appointment with a nipton therapist because of the visions I was having and uh I suffered from anxiety and stress due to that and physically I was having like you know backaches and everything else so

it

was really affecting me

and

I was fed up with this and I wanted to get rid of the visions because I could not go on with this and I had to move on and um when I met with the hypnotherapist I didn't talk about Zor I you know I didn't want to freak her out because she had no clue about aliens about uh you know visions and she was she telling me said look I'm a hypnotherapist I help people stop you know smoking cigarettes um and helping with birthing you know for pregnant women that's what I do but I'm okay I'm okay to help you with it you know if he can help you I don't have to believe in your visions but at least I can help you through with the process I said okay that's fine by me she was a clinical hypnotherapist so that was her job and so when I when I sat down with her and I talked to her about my visions she asked me do you want to you know control them or do you want to get rid of them

and

then I said well I had very nice visions of the birth of

my

not the birth three I saw my daughter at

the

age of 20 years old

and

that's a nice you know thing to have and you know he reassured my wife that you know this is a good thing to have so maybe I would like to just control them rather than just getting rid of them because if I can control them so it doesn't affect my work on a daily basis I would be happy and so she kind of taught me self-hypnosis and she also guided me through that but then she asked me in order to truly understand what happened when did you have the most vivid visions in your life

and

that's when I said well

when

I was 16 I had that she had a lot of things happening I was in a private school

and

my dad sent me off there and

I

was in a boarding school so I basically interacting with boys and girls

and

I was there from Monday to Friday

and

I said during classes I had automatic writing I could just write like a foreign language or like an alien language from top to bottom and left to right and I had no idea what that meant but it was they were not hieroglyphs or Chinese language it was kind of a mix of everything but it was hard to and I had books filled with this and because I traveled so much

my

dad when he moved away throughout everything that I owned

so

I basically lost all of that even the art you know all the stuff that I had it's gone

incredible

yeah

it

was very long now

just out of curiosity can you do this writing now or

no you can't do it now I could

recognize it but I could not redo it and I was also seen at two different places at once by friends oh

yes

I had an interest in Atlantis so I basically started reading Plato and I was even obsessed by drawing maps as to where Atlantis was located and

very

strange very out of my character even in those days and and

when you were doing this you were how old

16 this

is at 16

yes all of that

at 16

alright and

I also fancied a girl that year and I was trying to impress her

and

I said look you know I did meditation transcendental meditation with my mother because she loves Buddhism and I did that since the age of nine and so I said I would like to do a test you know an experiment with you and I would like you to place an object on your night table and tomorrow morning I would tell you what it is

and

I never did it before but I felt confident that I could do it

and

so

the

same night I went to in my bedroom and I was on my own I laid down on the bed

and

instead of sitting down when you do transcendental meditation and repeating a mantra I was just laying down and all I was focusing on was the bedroom of the girl and that's what I was aiming for

and

I basically came out of my body and I could feel I was going forward very fast in a black tunnel and all of a sudden I was above a night table and I could see three objects not just one but three

and

I described them as like a pendant and a necklace and

there

was a ring

sorry

a ring and a necklace around it

and

so it was interlaced and it was also like a knot notepad on the side with different color shades on the side very detailed in 3D and everything and I was in a tunnel vision and as soon as I finished seeing it I just came back into my body

when

I opened my eyes I was sweating profusely and I was out of breath and it really scared me

and

I couldn't move for a while but then at the end I said

I

did it and I was just happy to I couldn't wait to go back in the morning and tell the girl what I've seen

so

I did that and when I saw her

you

know she freaked out

when

I told her what I saw

because

she was a religious person

which

I don't really know very well but she was and the reason it freaked her out is because the pendant that I saw was very personal to her it was given by her dad and she never showed it to anybody in class so she knew that it's not something I would have seen during the day or something plus she was supposed to be placing one object so the three she placed on it

so

and

from then on I'm still in touch with her today and she didn't want to talk about it for

you

know

over

20 years

wow

yes

and every time I asked her she said I don't want to talk about it

until recently I don't see

that this stuff

I

mean that

doesn't seem it's

just my world it's not surprising you know but I understand from I guess these are people that just don't believe it's possible or

something

right right I

know

I know

and

it's funny because for me I kind of accepted it that way

but

at the same time

I

was

welcoming

it and it was like a game almost you

know for

me

I

was having fun doing it I was in charge I was able to control it

but this is

also there is also a sort of a strange thing that

years

later you go into this hypnotist

or clinical

psychologist I guess you called her

and

you're asking to have it

either

the visions removed or controlled and yet at the same time you did learn transcendental meditation so you knew how to meditate

and

she taught you how to

do

self-hypnosis that's correct

not

a big difference between meditation

and self-hypnosis

I guess

not

was there really something she taught you that you didn't know or it's just a technique really

yeah

you

know and

did you feel it worked

yes

oh yes

ah

okay

I

was able to control my visions and have them on demand

which

is you know something I stopped doing very shortly because I got bored out of it

and

I just let the visions come to me as they were before

I

see

you know I wasn't

really that frightened by it anymore and you know and since then to be honest with you I didn't really suffer from the anxiety and the stress that I used to have back in 2010

so

I feel much more comfortable with it now

right okay but that's kind of also interesting in other words you

did

this controlled experiment and then

you

learned how to do this and then you sort of exercised it for a few months or whatever

not even that not

even that yeah

maybe two

months

and then you went back to like normal but then you were okay with it and you weren't as traumatized by it

right

okay

yes and okay

so how does your story kind of where does it go from here

okay so when I had those visions basically at 16 she said okay well let's go back to when you were 16 years old under hypnosis I

was

I was 35

and

so we decided to regress me back to that time and it was pretty broad okay let's go back to when you were 16 in your school in France okay so when I the first thing I saw was myself being outside the school at night so I could see myself in jeans and I could see my shoes and you know my hands as a first person again and when I she was asking me to look around and to describe what I was seeing and to look up and when I was looking up I said I can see the bottom of a cup

you

know that's what it looked like to me and then she asked me to look back on my feet and I said oh my feet are living in the ground you know and and then she again she directed me towards

all

the things I was supposed to be seeing so then she said can you look up and tell me what you see so I looked up again and said oh I'm being lifted up lifted up and I was placed on my back and I entered a spacecraft you know feet first

and even

for myself I

I was

fully aware of what I was saying and I didn't believe it

I

just could not believe what was happening I was okay with it but at the same time I was had lots of doubts about

the experience

but let me ask you because

what

were you being were you actually you know regressed through hypnosis

were you

under hypnosis like when this

you

were telling this story right such that

you

know your conscious mind was really not engaged as much

no

okay but

I was going back and forth between saying and describing what I was saying right and hypnotherapist who allowed me to at some point open my eyes and draw what I was seeing at the same time

so

and I was closing my eyes and going back into the hypnosis session back and forth so

I was

doing that a lot and you know I just was able to go back into it like right away it

was

not something that was an issue to me I never really questioned it

but

I had since my interviews I had other hypnotherapists approaching me and trying to explain what happened and how unusual that was

coming in and out is

a bit yes like

a ping pong effect

not

under command right yes and so when I when I was abducted basically and I I was really unfamiliar with

the

you know the experience itself I never

really

read about it that much and I had no real interest about

abductions but still you

were born come on you Close Encounters of a Third Kind had you ever seen the movie or you've heard the name

yeah I guess so but you know again it was it was a movie like you know E.T. and then yes Cinderella and

so you just you didn't take it seriously no it was a movie really

it was an entertainment and

you

watched television like any kid does yeah you must have seen sci-fi for sure so

I was

not I wasn't

really impressed so you didn't take it seriously

no

okay

so this happened to you yes this was going on and you were skeptical of

even

of relating the

story

my dad was very you know pragmatic as I said to you before and he was the one making jokes of hypnothic in the first place you know saying oh you know they just make you do things on stage and you know you don't remember things and because I was fully remembering what was happening you know I thought you know it wasn't working and I was just I was just having a very creative mind

yes and

so when I entered the spacecraft feet first I saw those tall grey aliens with very long arms four fingers and the arms were actually below the kneecaps they were very long and there were

there

were three on the right hand side there were more on the left and by the time I was laid down I could feel some activity going on behind me but I could not move

so

I could see those guys placing some IVs into my arms and putting a helmet on my head and then all of a sudden they started to argue

with

a guttural sound like and you know I described that but not really taking me seriously because I wasn't really living it really I was just you know making it up right under hypnosis I thought I was making it up

and

so the hypnotherapist said to me can you tell me what they're arguing about I said well I don't speak alien I have no idea

and

so she said well can you ask them what they're arguing about and that was on session two because the first time around that's when she stopped the session because she freaked out she did but I didn't so she basically said you know this is very unusual to me I need to read up about it and I would like you to help you with it but I need you to come back sometime next week or two weeks you know two weeks time to discuss it again and go

through that again and this was

somebody in Canada

yes okay

and

obviously somebody who is not familiar

it's

no

okay so

just out of curiosity also

yes why

do you think you chose this particular person because why would you go if you had visions normally you would look for somebody who was kind of into that sort of thing

you

know it was just convenience and I didn't have time you

just how

did you find the person's name

oh

just on the

on

the local magazine from the local hypnotherapist and that was it I mean you

know I

didn't really pick one in particular and you know I didn't really care I mean basically I just want to find anybody who could help me with the visions and I didn't really think it through it

just happened yeah very

fascinating okay so here you get this person who's

never

gotten into this and

then she

goes and reads some things

and

has you come back how long later

about

a week and a half

two

weeks

maybe

when

I came back I went through the same process repeating the same experience going through the spacecraft and when the aliens argued again she asked me to ask them what they were arguing about and then they replied to me saying we can't touch you because you have been tempered with and that was the answer they gave me and that was it and so I repeated this to the hypnotherapist obviously and she said well what does it mean to you Sebastian I said I have no idea

so

then she asked me to ask them what that meant and I was met with silence

so

then they said well can they maybe show you something

you

know to see what

what

that means and they showed me holograms and they were blue holograms in between me and them and there was an upside down triangle first symbol I saw with three black dots on each point

and

then there was a staff

an

old staff of some sort and then there was a

a what

kind of

a staff you know like

a

cane

like

a cane

like

in Egypt yeah but was it curved at the top or no?

no it was kind of a bold it's larger on the top

oh

with

almost like a diamond in

the

middle

oh you

know I

still don't know

what that means but anyway

that's one of

them

yeah and

then there was a star like a very complex star that

was drawn

a star yes

okay

and so I drew them and gave them to the hypnotherapist and again she said you knew what this means and I

said

I have no idea and so

she

asked me to ask them what are the symbols meant okay and even until that point I still didn't trust what I was saying

right I understand but

that changed when they basically

showed

me what those symbols meant

because

I blacked out

from

that scene

and

I went backwards

and

when I opened my eyes I was in the body of a six month old baby

and

I was in a cylinder

with

a glass dome

there

was like omega symbols on the seam to almost like

you

know clench the glass with the metal and there was a black liquid inside that

was

organic it was it had intelligence but it was not it didn't feel like AI it felt like silk

but

it was basically covering my body

and

through the glass I saw two tall Pleiadians that were about seven feet tall the tall Pleiadians were also about seven feet tall and so not like the five you know

not like the little but were

the little ones there as well

no

just

the tall ones just

the tall ones

ah

interesting and so when I

when

I saw the Pleiadians they were wearing exactly the same blue uniform as Zohar when I saw him in my living room but they had that upside down triangle on their chest and the man had a beard and he had a sort of a helmet on I could still see his hair he had like brown hair

and

almost like curly hair I

see

and a curly beard a bit and he had a

a

trident symbol on his forehead and the woman was next to him and she was as tall as he was and they were both very fit

and

they were very stern as well they looked at me and there was no real emotion I couldn't see I couldn't feel any emotions you know

coming

out of them and

I

described this within a few seconds and it really startled me and that's when I it kind of shocked me a bit because I knew that I was no longer imagining it it was so clear

you knew that

that was yourself you

were that baby when I

was six months old yes

and

it felt very very strange like I was in a I was a 35 year old man feeling the emotions of a six month old baby

it

was very complex

and

and so when I

when

I came out of my body when the hypnotherapy said to me can you come out of your body to see where you are I came out of my body and I described the next scene saying it's all black all around me

and

I can see a spaceship underneath me that's about three to five miles long it's cubic in shape very cubic all the way and

almost like a

rectangular shape

you

know

spaceship lots

of lights inside them and everything else and I knew exactly where I was on the inside of the spaceship

and

I said and the earth is underneath it

so

she freaked out again and said go back into your body

so

I went back into my body so again what I discovered is under hypnosis you have you know you have access to your subconscious

you

have your conscious mind and I also did an out of body experience and that was very unusual for the hypnotherapist I spoke to afterwards I didn't know that but you know I

find

it very easy to do under hypnosis anyway

and

so when I came back to my body then she said can you please come out of your body again but stay in the room to describe what you were what you could see and when I came out of my body and described the walls the walls were kind of greenish looking organic looking but they had an intelligence to them and it was very symbiotic with the beings

it

felt like the whole spaceship had

was

a living organism basically

and

had you read about you know this is how a lot of craft art described in this field but you hadn't

I didn't I wasn't reading anything

no I didn't know anything about

that

did you subsequently I mean you said kind of been this happened like five years ago whatever

it is

yes

so

since then have you heard or read have people told you

that this is

actually

no

I

don't

no I don't

really

read books about that I see still I don't really you know tend to when I read books if I try to even

you

know be interesting in the topic from other people I feel there's a lot of you know disinformation going on and I can see that I can it's disturbing at the same time and I don't want to be associated with this myself I don't want to you know read or watch something that doesn't really ring true to me I'd

rather

you know let the experience come to me

and

share it the way I see it and

you

know I'm okay with people sharing their information and their experiences with me

which

often you know it happens often now but

I

don't want to you know go to lectures and try to

you

know hear people talk about the subject from

you

know so and so so

you came to this

conference

you

were drawn to come here for some reason

kind

of yes but I'm really doing it for the people that are going to the conference rather than the actual speakers

you

came here to meet people in other words

yes

yes yes but

but

no one in particular or

someone

in particular no

no

one

in particular

no

no okay

and you know the way we ended up here is kind of interesting which I can relate perhaps later but

the

thing is just not to lose the train of your story so you came back out of your body you looked at yourself in the space you saw these people and then what happened didn't you end up they talked to you and somehow Zor shows up or something

yes yes so basically after the fact so after this experience and I described the you know the inside of the spaceship and there was a door as well

I

knew that the experience was profound and real then but I still didn't know what to do with it you know it didn't really make make any sense to me until I decided to contact my mother and tell her about Zor which had nothing to do with the actual hypnosis session

but

I still wanted to share that with her and I still mention that upside down triangle

because

I knew that Zor and the triangle somehow were related even if Zor was not part of that abduction when I was six months old

right

so

I

shared that information with my mother and she said

the

triangle it's the winter triangle in our constellation where you have Orion and you know Belaguse and the Pleiades

so

that's the the shape of

the

three stars systems together and that's what apparently I saw

which

kind of makes sense because the Pleiadians that had that symbol had it on their chest and obviously they came from that location

yes

okay but

from

my world the upside down triangle also symbolizes

a

certain group within the secret space program

and a

certain yeah it's an alien alliance and all of that so

and

I don't even know fully what it symbolizes but it's very significant and

it

does show up in abductions all the time okay military abductions especially

right

well I have seen that symbol as well with James Gillian's ranch like I went

there

afterwards and he has that symbol on his door on his barn and I believe even Stephen Greer kind of uses the same kind of symbol too so I

saw

some

correlations

yes people are using it

yes more

and

more often yes

okay

but

okay

but at some point these these

these

two beings so to speak Pleiadians talk to you isn't that right

yeah

yeah they were

speaking to me when you were

a baby they spoke to you

not then no when

I was

six months old they didn't speak to me they were very stern and that was it so when I came back home I felt like there was a huge download happening and I didn't know what to do with it during

the

hypnosis session

no

after

after

after after the hypnosis session because I couldn't really understand what was going on with the you know why I was in the bath and you know all of this didn't really make any sense I had no real answers to this

but

then when I went back home I kind of put two and two together with the fact that when I've lost my skin and he came back when I was six months old I just then automatically realized that that liquid was there to regenerate my my DNA

and

my skin

sure I

just I just you

know I just thought that's

what it meant it made sense and it rung true to me then when I saw that so

then how did when is the time when you communicated with those beings or

they

communicated with

you

so so basically when I was in my house again and Zoh came back again the same way he did physically and said I would like you now to come with me on the spacecraft and I didn't like that

I

didn't want to and I said no I'm sorry but I think I'll stay home

and

so he went away and he was still smiling and still happy to see me for whatever reason even if I was you know telling him that there was not coming in

and

I then contacted the hypnotherapist and I said I would like to you know be regressed to maybe welcome the idea of going on a spaceship you know with Zoh if he welcomed me and we see where that leads so she kind of led me through that and

it

was safer you know because it was more not physical but ethereal it was you know coming out of my body almost to do this it was a weird experience because it didn't feel like a normal hypnosis session in a way like I felt like I truly lived it but it was not like a vision or a dream or regression of any kind it was definitely something that almost like felt like came out of my body and I was there it was very very strange

so

she guided you just out of curiosity how did she guide you was it saying you know

you're

going up in a spaceship again or

no no or

or do you see Zor

or how did

she every time she was using the technique of saying you know walk downstairs you know sit down the stairs and then you know just look around and you know trying to basically just calm me down and trying to put me in that you know hypnosis state I guess you know everybody has their own techniques

right and

that's what she was using

right

and

then from then on she was saying okay well you know you want to go and see Zor so let's let's invite him around and see what happens pretty much it was very basic and

kind of let it

go like that way

and

then did he just show up again

no

so what happened was I felt like I was elevated up in a like a shaft of some sort and the doors open up and when I walked out he was right there greeting me and in the background I could see the same tall man and woman when I was six months old

and

he basically you know grabbed me and then

led

me to see them and when I was

he tall

also like

they are

oh

yeah

same height

and

when I actually no he wasn't that high he was more like six six two six three so he wasn't that high

he

wasn't

that tall I don't think let me think about

no

he wasn't that tall no

but

the parents his parents were so the man and the woman were like seven feet tall

and

when they when they saw me

they

were not happy about it and the man started to argue like telepathically with Zor they were on a

on

a platform higher up and when we walked up that way and he basically Zor argued with his dad and and he said he's not ready you know what is he doing here

he's

not supposed to be here and and Zor said no I think he's ready you know we need to share information with him or something I don't quite record exactly what I what I said but that's when the man addressed me looked me up he looked me in the eye and and said

you

know you are supposed to be living a life of you know basic life on earth of you know emotions die and come back to us

that

was it and I said okay I don't know what's going on but okay whatever you say and then he said but now your mission has changed and you are supposed to be going back to earth

and

awaken the star seeds of the planet

I

said okay

but

I had no clue what that meant and that was the true soul message that arose from this conversation

and

the

the

other point was Zor then showed me a body on on a slab that was breathing

was

as tall as the man

and

he said this is you

on

this spaceship and you basically duplicated your soul

to

go on earth to be reincarnated onto earth and on other planetary systems you know the spitting soul idea was very foreign to me anyway and still is a bit because not many real people talk about it but

I

I found that very strange and the fact that he said that I volunteered for this mission on earth to do this I said okay you know again I was not really accustomed to these old things and it kind of surprised me and I

I

was absorbing the information but I could not really analyze what was going on when

you saw yourself on a slab you were as tall as they were

yes

and could you look

at yourself and see was there any difference in the way you look do you look like yourself or no

not quite no no because the same features like with a cheekbone higher cheekbones the larger you know eyes

I

see

so physically it didn't quite look the same my nose was a bit more straight anyway it you know he had like perfect features but you know muscular as well and but he

was alive or meditation he

was he was alive he was he was in meditation I

see

but he basically was not coming out of his deep meditation

when

I saw him anyway or me I don't know anyway but it was it was the way it was and

what

was interesting about this experience is that he also showed me that there were some other universes because the the the the Pleiadian reincarnated in another universe as

we said

and I had no idea what that meant either

but

you know I said okay that was it

so

when I went back to to my body after the session was added and it felt that it was enough and you know it really sucked up a lot of my energy when I was doing these sessions and it made me feel very tired afterwards I

see okay

so like usually the hour to hour sessions were plenty and that's what I was doing when I was seeing the hypnotherapist

and

that was in the year 2011 yes

well 2011 2012 because

I was

kind of doing it over because it was late 2011 when I first started the first sessions

okay and

then I finished them in 2012

so how

long did you go for actually getting these sessions going

on

for

example probably over maybe a month and a half two months maybe

that's it

yeah

oh yeah

only

a month or two months

oh

yes I've got other things to do

I

understand you know I

would think so I can't spend my

life doing this

no

but

I

would think so but

the

way you described it you said so it went from late 2011 right to early

2012

no beginning of 2012 okay

so over that span

yes

and then what okay so you're doing these sessions and you're having different experiences in each session assuming

yes

why do you stop

because

I couldn't care less

okay

so this

was happening

you didn't know what

to do with it I couldn't care

less I couldn't care less it was an experience but I couldn't really relate to it

but

why did you go to the sessions at all if you didn't care less

because because it was really helping me with my visions and that became better and I was still going through the process of trying the you know self-hypnosis session

right and

within that two month span basically I just you know gave everything up because I had my business to run and I just had to focus on that and I just went back into that world

and

so I

forgot about so what happened at the

end of these these sessions I mean did you have any more interaction get more

information no nothing

happened after after they said to me go back to earth and awaken the stars of the planet it was so vague and irrelevant I had no guides to you know show me how to do this you know what could I do with this I just I just gave it up dropped it and then carried on my life

that's

pretty much what happened I ignored it because I didn't know what else to do

what did you say okay so you came back and took to the therapist right yes

and

what did you say to her

what

do you mean like when I

like yeah you said you were giving these orders to do this and

then

well then I stopped I stopped doing

it but what did she say what was her reaction

well she believed it she

believed

that you know my experiences were real and when I was confronting her with it saying you know at the beginning anyway more than at the beginning when I was saying you know I'm just imagining it and you know this is not real she showed me two documents

the

first one was about the MRI test that was done when people were under hypnosis and the portion of the brain that lights up is actually the place where the memory comes from well

you

know

it's

not the imagination process which is a different part of the brain

and

the other document was about a case that happened in Canada of a woman that got bombed a car and she lost memory and and under hypnosis she remembered the license plate of the vehicle that hit her

and

that was enough for a judge to have a want done for investigating the case and the man obviously was

went

to prison so

it's been proven to be

accurate yes

and have a connection

and accepted right

okay so

so

you got these directions and then you ended at the sessions yes

but

your visions assuming they continued

yes and

did you have more meetings with these people or no

no so

since then you haven't had meetings with them

to

your knowledge or

well

no I had I had meetings but during the time frame of since then yes but what I'm saying between 2012 and 2014 so for basically you know three years really roughly I ignored my visions and I and I ignored my interactions with the Pleiadians nothing really occurred during that time frame per se

okay

and because more happened between 2014 and now

okay so

but there was a three year gap where

nothing

happened apart from visions the regular visions that we're saying but

the regular interactions

on what was happening on earth but nothing else nothing to

do

with ETs

so