12/10/2024 - The God that Interrupts - Serge and Armand Papin
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C
'est
ce que
Armand alluded à l'heure.
Il
y a un moment où
nous
allons le study de la Bible
et
nous réfléchissons.
Et
comme le story, le story de la
histoire,
le
story de
la histoire, nous parlons de l'interruption.
Il
y a un moment où Dieu
nous
interrompt.
Et
ce qui
est
ce que nous allons développer cette étude avec vous. Il y a un introduction où nous allons parler de la contexte et de la background. Et puis nous allons prendre trois
short
stories
de
la Bible.
Le
roman soldier, Simon of Cyrene, et deux thieves sur le cross.
Et
nous allons conclure.
Je
suis un gars qui aime dormir.
Mais
comme je âge,
j
'ai trouvé ça un peu plus difficile.
Je vais
mettre ça un peu
plus difficile.
J'ai waké quite un peu à la nuit.
Mais
je me souviens quand j'étais un peu plus jeune.
J
'ai eu
goé
à la bed, j
'ai
eu regardé mon pied, j'ai
eu regardé mon pied et j
'ai
eu
regardé mon pied. Et dans deux minutes, j'ai
eu
regardé
mon
pied et j'ai
eu
regardé. J'ai
eu
regardé mon
pied, j
'ai eu regardé mon pied.
I
had a two year old, it was two or three at the time,
and
there was a time in his young life,
just
about every night,
at
around one o'clock or two o'clock in the morning,
we
would hear sometimes footsteps
coming. And
he wouldn't say much.
And
in the darkness, we knew, my wife and I, that someone was staring at us.
And
his problem was always the same.
I
had a bad dream.
Oh,
I am thirsty.
My
tummy's sore.
I've
got stuffy nose.
And
the remedy
was
always the same.
And
I understand that my wife and I would take turns
to
put the baby back, to take the child back to his bedroom.
Or,
let's say, my wife would take a bit more turns than I. But we worked it out that we would have to take
this
two or three year old back
to
his bedroom
and
stay with him until he fell asleep again.
And
because I enjoy my sleep,
when
I would go to work,
I
would complain to my colleagues
and
say, well,
last
night was not a very good night.
And
I don't feel very well today at work. I wish I had more sleep.
And
it happened time and time again. And I kept complaining.
And
I kept complaining about it
to
my colleagues
until
one day
it
dawned on me
that
soon, that actually very soon,
this
two or three year old
will
grow out of it.
That
soon and very soon, he would have worked out
that
if he's thirsty at night, he could just go to the fridge.
If
he's got a bad dream, he will just sleep in and know that it's just a dream.
That
he will not need his father
anymore. And
it dawned on me
that if
I don't open up,
take
him back to his bed,
very
soon,
there
will be no need for him to come to me
when
his
issues become
bigger.
And
at that time, I realized,
instead
of complaining
about
the interruptions,
about
the interruptions
that
were happening,
we
should just embrace
those
interruptions.
You
see, the Bible is full of stories
where
God
interrupts. And
if you look at those stories closely,
and
we'll see, we'll look at a few of those.
Those
interruptions
brought
about changes,
brought
about transformations in people's lives.
So
this morning, what I'm asking you,
is
to have an open mind.
Because
if today, if
today
your routine has changed, and you've come here,
or
for whatever reason,
there
have been interruptions in your life
before, be
open to the fact that maybe God
is
interrupting your life,
because
he's got something more for you.
And
this morning, we'll look
at
three stories.
Three
stories where there were interruptions.
But
we'll
stay
with the story around the cross. And instead of talking about Jesus himself,
we'll
talk about the people who were associated with the cross. And see how they were interrupted. And what it meant to them
to
be interrupted.
And
we'll start with the story
of
the Roman soldier.
We
are going to focus
on
the things happening at the cross. Jesus being crucified.
But
we are looking at some of the stories of some of the people
dealing
with that crucifixion.
And
we'll start first
with
those ones.
The
Roman soldiers
and
the centurion.
Remember, at
that time,
the
Roman Empire was so powerful. The Roman Empire had conquered the whole world.
And
what happened also in Judea,
they
had
a
governor ruling, a Roman governor ruling the country.
It
was not only, you know, when you conquer the country, you got to manage it. You need to control it.
And
for the governor, who at that time was Pontius Pilate,
he
had his army. He had his soldiers
who
were there to control and to maintain order.
And
as you will remember, you know, the Roman soldiers,
they
were
accustomed
to fights and battles.
They
were hardened fighters.
They
knew
how
to fight.
But
during that time, they were also executioners. They were the one
doing
all the crucifixion. Furthermore, you got the centurion. The centurion was the leader of the army. The leader of a group of about 100 people, 100 soldiers. And to become a centurion, you had to show prowess in the combat zone. You had to be strong. You had to be loyal to the cause.
And
there they were.
The
Roman soldiers and the centurion leading out the crucifixion.
And
now, what about the crucifixion itself?
You
see, the crucifixion
was
a capital punishment that
existed
before the Romans. The Persians did that a lot.
But
the Romans perfected it.
There
was a procedure to it. Standard practice, how to do things.
You
know what it is, standard procedures.
One
step after the other. They know how to conduct
the
crucifixion. And the crucifixion
was
for
criminals.
They were for rebels. They were for rioters. Because at that time as well, there was members of the resistance, the zealots.
And
they had to be captured and punished. And they were punished on the cross. Crucified on the cross. That's the background. That's the context. And then we get the first interruption.
The
crucifixion was for criminals.
It
was not a criminal.
If
you got your gospel, your Bible, you can open it into Mark chapter 15 verse 14. But I've got it on the screen. Why ask Pilate? What crime has he committed? Jesus
did
not commit anything that needed the crucifixion. But
he
was going to be crucified.
The
routine of the soldiers was interrupted. They did not know how to deal with that.
And
so what they did, Mark chapter 15 verse 16 said, They led Jesus away in the palace and called together
the
whole company of soldiers.
The
centurion, the soldiers, the centurion,
the soldiers, all
of them together
bring
Jesus in the palace.
And
there,
not
knowing what to do, because he's not a criminal, but we need to treat him as a criminal. They started beating him, flogging him, putting a crown of thrones on his head, torturing him, spitting on him.
Despite
all this ill treatment, Jesus remained calm.
The
first interruption.
Then
we've got the second interruption.
The
gospel of Luke adds something else to the whole drama. Luke chapter 23 verse 27 says, A large number of people followed him, including women who mourn and wail. The soldiers and the centurion were not expecting that. Huge amount of people.
Now they
had to be on the high alert. Rioters could come in.
The
rebels could attack. They felt threatened. That was not part of their routine.
They
were interrupted.
And
then a third interruption.
You
know,
the
person being crucified was supposed to bring the cross on their shoulders to the place where they're going to be crucified.
And
there,
Jesus
could not carry. That was not part of the procedure.
He
had to carry his cross.
But
he could not do it. He was so weakened by all the beating and flogging.
And
they now had to find someone, someone in the crowd, someone to carry the cross.
While
all that was happening, the centurion
was
just watching,
was
seeing what was happening.
And
suddenly something happened.
Mark
chapter 15 verse 33 said, At the sixth hour, darkness came
over
the whole land until the ninth hour.
And
verse 37, with a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
And
verse 39, when the centurion
who
stood in front of Jesus
heard
his cry
and
saw how he died, he said,
Surely, surely, surely, this
man
was
the son of God. Surely,
this
man was the son of God.
What
a confession coming from a Roman soldier. What a confession coming from a Gentile. While all the high priests and the members of Sanhedrin rejected Jesus.
He, the
Gentile, the first
person
to say that.
Surely, this
man is the son of God.
The
Bible doesn't tell us
more
about this centurion. But one thing is certain.
The
centurion
could
not confront the cross
and
remain
unchanged. I
want to mention that
Jesus
could not carry
his
cross.
So,
I would like to introduce you to the man who did carry the cross.
There's
not many texts who talk about Simon of Cyrene.
Only
three. Three verses. One in Matthew. One in Mark. And one
in
the Gospel of Luke.
But
it's interesting that we know that Simon is from Cyrene. Cyrene is today's Tripoli
in
Libya.
You
know, when you and I,
we
want to go somewhere. Let's say we want to go to Bateman's Bay.
Before
we do so, we check on our Google map
where
we ought to go.
How
long it will take us to get there. We check
what
the temperature is going to be.
And
if it's fine, we will take two pairs of thongs,
three
change of clothes,
and
put it in the car. And off we go.
Simon was
going to Jerusalem
because
it was Passover. And you can imagine
that
he had to go from North Africa
to
Palestine, to Jerusalem, because it was there that the Passover was.
And
you can imagine the preparation
that
Simon had to do. It is a long trip.
And
he would have prepared all this. It's a
trip
of a lifetime.
And
he has prepared himself so well.
And
after such preparation,
he
was finally
there in
Palestine,
ready
for the Passover feast.
And
after such preparation, and as he was walking in the street, he heard some commotion,
not
far from where he was.
And
suddenly he realized
that
there was a crucifixion going. And there was this man, Jesus,
being
taken to the hill of Golgotha.
He
was so tired, he was so tired,
he was so weak. And
as he stood there,
and
that wasn't part of his plan, that wasn't part of the routine. As he watched that, someone tapped him on the shoulder
and
asked him to carry the cross
of
this man.
Can
you imagine,
just
put yourself in the shoes of Simon of Cyrene at the time.
All
this planning,
all
the routine that he had, everything that he's put on paper, what he would do. At this moment,
there
was an interruption
in
all of his plans.
But
let me tell you something,
and
that is very important.
Yes,
there was an interruption to his plan.
Yes,
there was an interruption to everything that he's been dreaming of.
Yes,
there was an interruption to what he was really there for.
Yet
this man
carried the
burden
of
the Savior of mankind.
His
life
will
never be the same again.
I
had said earlier that there are three verses that talk about Mark of Cyrene.
And
Mark says, There's a certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander
and
Rufus, was passing by on his way from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross. He was the father of Alexander and Rufus. And we hear about Rufus
a
bit later,
when
Paul wrote a letter to the church in Rome. He says, Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord.
You
see, Simon of Cyrene
could
not confront the cross
and
remain unchanged.
He
could not confront the cross
and
remain unchanged.
I
can imagine Simon going back
home. His
life was never the same again because he encountered
the
Savior.
Yes,
he was interrupted.
But
what came out after that interruption
was
so much more.
Simon
could not confront the cross
and
remain unchanged.
And
then we come
with
the two thieves on the cross. Mark chapter 15 verse 27 says, They crucify
two
robbers with him.
One
on his right
and
one on his left.
The
Bible did not tell us what were the crimes of those
two
robbers.
They
were not petty robbers.
Because
to be crucified, you had to be vile criminals.
You
have to have committed quite a lot of larcenies and violent things.
We
don't have too many details.
But
they were there to be crucified.
And
as they were led to the crucifixion, something happened as well.
They
were interrupted. You see, they did not expect to see so much people
there
as well.
They
thought they were going to be the center of attraction. No.
There
was someone else here. Someone else was headed to the list. Of people to be crucified on that day. Jesus were there. Jesus became the center of attraction.
They
were interrupted.
Even
when they were going to die.
And
so what did they do? As they were being crucified. Mark chapter 15 verse 32 said, In the same way,
The
robbers crucified with him also heap insults on him. They started insulting him. Arragging him. Arragging him.
Arrassing
him. One of the
thieves. Luke
chapter 23 verse 40.
We
jump from Mark.
We
go to Luke because the gospel of Luke gives us a bit more insight into that story.
And
he says, Don't you fear God?
We
are punished justly.
We
are getting what our deeds deserve. What he's saying? We've committed enough crime to be
crucified.
We are getting what our deeds deserve.
But
then
it
adds.
But
this man
has
done nothing wrong.
This
man has done nothing wrong. Do you know what that implies?
It
implies that that thief on the cross
had
heard of Jesus before.
He
had seen Jesus before.
He
had come
to
know
a
certain amount about Jesus.
He
had a first impression of Jesus. He heard what he's done. He's seen what he's done.
But
he was not committed to him.
That
man has done nothing wrong. And at that moment, seeing the reactions of Jesus, seeing how he reacted to all those insults,
have
he kept calm? Have he kept blessing all the people
that
were insulting him? Something
crept
into him. Verse 42 of Luke chapter 22.
He
says, Jesus,
remember
me
when
you come into your kingdom.
Just
like the centurion,
he
recognized
Jesus
as his Messiah.
Jesus
as his Savior. Remember me when you come
into
your kingdom. The weirdest part of it, he had faith
in
Jesus when Jesus was at his weakest state. When Jesus was dying on the cross.
The
thief
could
not confront the cross.
I
don't know whether you can see the painting,
this
painting very well. This painting
is
called
the
raising of the cross or the elevation of the cross.
It's
a painting by a
very famous
painter,
Rembrandt, in
the 17th century.
And
Rembrandt has painted a lot of biblical paintings.
But
this painting is very special.
And
today, I think today, it's housed in a museum
in
Germany.
But
this painting is very special. If you look at it well,
you
will see
the
soldiers
we
talked about there.
But
there's a man in that picture.
And
if you look very well, you will see
that
the costume
that
he wears is not the costume of the time of Jesus.
It's
a costume of
the
17th century. And in fact, Rembrandt
painted
himself
into
the painting
of
the cross.
And
we may say, why did Rembrandt do that?
You
see, Rembrandt confronted the cross.
And
he couldn't
remain
unchanged.
As
we talk about the final why, we're talking about why, why, why.
Why
is it possible
that
when Rembrandt
got
interrupted in his life,
he
knew
he
could no more be just an observer.
Some
way or the other,
when
we are confronted with the cross,
we
become a participant.
And
for him, it was enough
to
be an observer.
He
needed to participate in it.
We
talk about interruptions. I don't know what your life has been.
There's
been time when we felt that, man, this is hard.
This
is hard to carry.
This
is heavy.
And
sometimes we say,
it
is far too heavy.
But
when God interrupts,
it
allows us to stop
and
pause for a moment.
It
allows us to realize that, yes, those are interruptions
that
allow us
to
review our lives.
But
also be open
to
what else is on offer.
We can
never confront the cross
and
remain unchanged.
And
what I want you to do, this is not the end of the why. It's the beginning of the why.
It's
a beginning
about
asking,
if
God is
stopping
me in
so
many ways, so many things I've planned, so many things I've put in my mind that I would do, yet,
something
is stopping me.
Because we've
got hope
in
something bigger
than
us.
And
that's our
Jesus
on the cross.
I
would like to
sing
a song now.
Because
if you feel
that
you are broken,
if
you feel
there
are things that need to change
in
your life,
now
is the time
when
you're confronted with the cross
and
ask for a change.